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Will America get it's Southern Border Wall.? (1172 views)


God
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Will the gofundme page shame the Liberals into acting? Will the RINO'S act like real Republicans? Will we get a border wall to keep out ILLEGAL ALIENS? And if you don't want one...Why not? No country is secure, if they cannot control their borders. If you DON'T want security...you are an enemy of the United States..whether you live here or not. The Liberals wanted one...until Trump became President...now they oppose one...put our country at risk..simply because of HATE. Hate for Trump... www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-5tu-Jya88 www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOPvUABnw

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senior master
Trump is going to be around for another 6 years.
A)Defo.

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expert
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A border wall won't magically make the problem go away, it simply makes the problem cost more without solving anything.

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@deiosa Another senseless statemment. You start with a border. Then you defend it. Do you lock your doors at night? Or do you leave them open for anyone, and everyone to come in?

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expert
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@bondojoe And we do defend it. What do you think the border patrol is doing down there? There is about 580 miles of physical fencing with other parts of the border similar to the border with Canada using sensors and drones. Even if you decided to build an actual wall across the southern border (almost 2000 miles long) the cost would, most likely, exceed $15-$25 billion and doubtfully stop people from coming here illegally since they'd simply go around. They built a tunnel UNDER the existing fence to get in. A wall wouldn't have any more effect on the caravan since it was stopped by the much more cost effective fence and border patrol agents.

So, I'm not saying don't defend the border, I'm saying a massive wall isn't going to accomplish what Trump believes it will accomplish.

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master
@deiosa YES, its true the border patrols,drones,sensors MIGHT really work better as a "real virtual wall".Shit,you can tunnel under the solid-physical wall?Yes,the East Germans did that,when the EASTERN WALL was still up.--got a number out,too.

OK, fudge the "actual-wall,"a "virtual-patrolled-effective wall"would be better!!!SOMEONE VOLUNTEER to tell the Pentagon,this,and get the Big P. to tell Trump?He'll listen to the Big War-guys,won't he?OR, we all just email his grown kids,and THEY TELL HIM!I kinda like the women,good dressers.--I'll email,see if anyone owning technology actually listens to it!!heh.

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@deiosa It's a start. Work from there.

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senior guru
@deiosa see at the end of the day ,,,,,,,,

ITS NIGHT TIME 😆😆😆

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senior guru
@bondojoe u would only leave ur door open once a year if u didnt have a chimney , how else would santa clause get in 🤔😂😂😂😂😂. haha

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@chaseyerself I leave my doors unlocked every night! I'm hoping that I get to thin out the criminals a little. I'm armed. Merry Christmas!

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@bondojoe hahahaha luv it 👍 merry xmas m8

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senior guru
@deiosa Eh? A border wall won't totally stop the problem and costs a lot so we shouldn't bother? Get real. You could say that about anything.

Having a speed limit on the roads and enforcing it is costly but drivers still speed so we should do away with the speed limit?

Drug smugglers and junkies will always peddle and use drugs so we should do away with very costly anti-drug law enforcement?

Despite having so many laws and very costly jails, crooks, criminals and gangsters continue to kill, rape and steal, so we should shut down all the jails and save billions?

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@deiosa Ha..the wall isn't meant to keep immigrants out..it's to keep AMERICANS in.

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expert
In an ideal world both Canada and Mexico should be like a Schengen travel zone. However, Canada doesn't want retarded paranoid rednecks just walking on in and, paranoid rednecks can't or don't want to learn Spanish so....quite the conundrum.
A paradigm shift in policy would be more effective than any physical wall IMO. If they have a passport or ID, great, give them 90 days, then tell them to GTFO. Just like every other civilized country.
As it is now, Border Control isn't as ineffectual as some folks would lead you to believe. When was the last time there was an illegal terrorist here? You can google it, I'll wait. Any of those 0 people from Latin America?
What's the real threat here? Is there a Mexican ISIS I don't know about? A fruit picker stealing your girl? Too many landscapers with leaf blowers at 7:00am? Seriously...
Do what y'all want man(not that we get to vote on it anyways) but, 5bil would be better spent elsewhere. VA, NASA, healthcare, etc, etc..


Here's the part were someone claims some completely made up sh*t like, how they get food stamps or, allowed to vote, or drain the economy in some kind of way....

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senior master
@PsychoDeeDee Being " USED " (like here in the UK) by big business to work for nothing in " low skilled " jobs, meaning less paid in taxes and no chance of getting a mortgage etc,etc.

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expert
@PureVodka🍺 Those stereotypes were sarcasm.. most Mexicans I work with on jobsites are highly skilled electricians or ironworkers making >$20/hr+...

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@PsychoDeeDee Do you lock your doors at night? If you don't, you're foolish. I'm betting that you do. Same thing. It's not only who HAS come in...it's who MIGHT come in. The money should be spent on the WALL as well as elswhere. We're a rich country. We don't have to pick just ONE place, as you seem to suggest. There's enough horror stories of Illegal Aliens killing people, so that it's not neccessary to make any up. You can google it. If it was YOUR daughter that was a victim...ONE would be too many...right?

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expert
@bondojoe Of course I lock my doors. I live in a shady part of town but, not because of Mexicans. So that analogy is useless. I lock my doors because of 'lil gangbangers that wear the same drawers as you. Go to the same Mickey D's as you and, shop at the same Walmart for Dickies..AS YOU DO.
Again, what's he real threat here? Psychos don't exist in one culture..

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God
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@PsychoDeeDee Psychos exist in America. So you lock your doors, and leave your gate open. You're not too bright...are you?

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@PsychoDeeDee LOL! There are no bad Mexicans..just like all women tell the truth...right? Tou mental pygmy!

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expert
@bondojoe Someone needs a Snickers bar..

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God
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@PsychoDeeDee LOL!..........

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senior master
@bondojoe I see the multi (VPN) account Trump HATING downvoters are out in force.

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senior master
The Truth About Trump's Government Shutdown!

The terrible facts behind the current confrontation between Trump and the Democrats about funding the border wall!

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top expert
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We do not need a racist Wall of Hate for cult members to ogle and serve their vanity.

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guru
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@20TRUMP20 build one around the snowflake cultists...

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Wow, yall remember Ronald Reagan, "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" With all due respect, screw the wall. Just enforce our employment laws!! Its not a liberal or conservative issue its a bullsh*t smoke screen in my opinion. Its the wealthy business class that has been supporting illegal immigration historically. They were the ones illegality employing the mexican workers. But its us bleeding heart liberals right, we want to ruin our country and destroy our heritage make this a socialist dream. Wrong, so take your savings and loans and your offshore company headquaters, add up your capital gains and loses then blame us little people for your housing crisis. While your at it tell your grandfathers thanks for using asian labor to build their railroads and african slaves to farm their dirt. Oh thanks for allowing us good americans to build your war machines and our children to ride them into battle in some foreign land to safegaurd your investments. When my fellow americans so easily question my character just because i think building a wall is not the answere to our problems and calling me a liberal means anything, just call me a commie bastard. I love our way life but if you havent noticed we aint free like we thought, that wall will someday symbolize our enslavement, and it too will be torn down.

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senior guru
@pizzaguy666 The wall in the USSR was to keep Russians in. Thus it was like a prison wall. Trumps wall would be like a defensive wall, just like you have round your house. Big difference.

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@Crutchbender Great post, Crutch! Now I don't have to say it to him! Thanks. How do peopel get so dumb they think they don't need a wall on their borrder...but have EVERY form of security around their houses? Morons.

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@Crutchbender The berlin wall was built and used to oppress a population and it was a symbol as much a tool. I know John Lennon aint singing imagine anymore, and im not sure if we could live as one people. But i hear about the immigration crisis in Europe right now , and forgve me for being the way i am but im not there im in nw Ohio USA. Can you imagine if we built the border wall the way it should be built. I aint talking about a barbed wire mesh fence, stone and metal with all the high tech monitoring gear. Drones in the sky and laser sensors on the ground. Least we not forget this will be a Federally controlled border using federal government resources, the military army, etc and coast guard more than likely. I dont vare about the cost if we do this we do it right, i will sign on if our country moves this way. But people the federal government weilding this much military power inside our borders will never relinquish that power, ever, even if no mexican ever tried to illegally cross again. Furthermore no american will be able to use air transportation without a Federally approved I.D.!! Repeat federal id. People i fear the future just like any person should, but when we implement measures that lesson our freedoms we will never get them back.

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@pizzaguy666 Oh yeah crutchbender if you got a wall round your house thats awesome. Ill be over ill bring the firepower and beer.
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@pizzaguy666 The First "innocent" step towards a Police State is Mandatory ID cards. They aren't Mandatory here yet but get stopped by a cop without one and see how that goes. My License was suspended for a while and I got stopped for riding my bicycle on the sidewalk. I didn't have any ID so I was cuffed and taken downtown til my buddy could swear to my Identity.

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@Flickfan Wow your story is a familiar one.

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@Crutchbender hahahahahaha

coming from a Brit!

Bloody hell.

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@pizzaguy666 You seem to be full of hate and disappointment. You might want to take credit for SOME of that. I KNOW what Liberals want to do... www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/07/02/koba...

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No.

nonono the extra bit is for not being able to just write "no"

... don't bother to respond, I shan't be acknowledging any reactions to the no.

smiley

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@RAVENOUSbird Yes. Yes, yes, yes yes. You don't need to respond.

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@bondojoe Oky doky. smiley

.. The don't respond wasn't for you, Joe. Twas for sake of not being able to just write one word.

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@RAVENOUSbird I know...I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. It was just seeing all those no's. It irritates me too that we can't give a simple answer. I usually write.............no. Or.............yes. What 's the point in saying more than you need to..anyway?

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@bondojoe I don't know. It's certainly over-complicates a very simple reply.

Hope all is well with you. smiley

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@RAVENOUSbird I'm fine...I AM distresssed that so many in America find the destruction of their country to be a desirable course.

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@bondojoe I can understand feeling that way. smiley

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@bondojoe I should have said that my original "no" is to the the question the thread heading asked, only, "Will America get its Southern Border Wall."

To be honest, I feel incredibly unqualified and impotent in addressing the many aspects of the "should there be a wall or not". So my answer was not to any aspect of that.

I apologise that I did not stipulate that, as that would have been more respectful. My only excuse is that not being able to simply put a "No" wasn't allowed, and then I got lost in making up other words to fill up the space in minor frustration, which may have come a cross as cheeky or flippant, neither of which I intended.

It's a tough issue and I can see that you are motivated by a deep love for the preservation of your own heritage.

I hope you will take some joy with lived one's in the next few days.

Again, my apologies for not being able to tell you this sooner.

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@RAVENOUSbird No apology neccessary. I am not offended. It ammoys me also that short answers are not accepted in some places on this site. But it is not the preservation of my heritage that I am concened wiyth...but the preservation of my country, which is made up of many cultures, and ALL of those are now under attack by terrorism...be it political, religious, or morally.

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God
@bondojoe I don't feel that "heritage" is one dimensional, and what you have described for yourself is indeed the very reason I chose the word "heritage".

I hope that if others read what you have written, and see this with a deeper clarity.

smiley

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guru
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@RAVENOUSbird Wouldn't need a wall if they just enforced the laws already on the books.

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Bondojoe you bring up common sense i admit. This wall subject gets me going a little too hot. My position in life is my own doing noone owes me nothing, yes cradle to the grave is not freedom is control. Am i liberal if i believe our system is corrupt? How about if i thought the "dont ask dont tell" policy was brilliant? Could a liberal be happy Donald Trump was elected? Look im not trying to be smart or give the impression im right and yall are wrong. Me and you probably have more in common than not. Im a social liberal and honestly i dont think my definition works today. I dont believe in gun control at all, abortion sucks but im not a woman, all this social justice warrior sh*t enrages me. I still believe Ross Perot should have been president, i voted for clinton, sorry bout that one but i was young and stupid. I believe our government is out of control and the wall will only increase the power and reach of an unjust and perverted federal justice system. The link you posted indicated to me you dont derive your opinions from a facebook post. You know when i was growing up the adults around me instilled the belief as an American we can disagree and debate political and military decisions but when the law is passed or war is declared we fall in line, and because of our freedoms, the constitution and bill of rights, we can change the law or stop a war, in theory i guess. But we should not act like children talking about impeaching Trump before he moves into the white house or nitpicking an election. I am disgusted by the actions and opinions of sore losers basically. So if the wall goes up so be it, i still believe enforcing federal wage and labor laws is a better path for now.

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@pizzaguy666 I'm gllad to hear that. If the government was ALLOWED by federal judges to ENFORCE our immigration laws, there would be less need for a wall. Sanctuary cities are not legal under federal law...but they exist...under LIBERAl control.

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guru
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@pizzaguy666 All they have to do is come in through Florida and claim they're Cuban. Kennedy Gave Cubans a free pass in the 60's and no one has thought to plug that hole in the dam since. A lot of countries shoot border jumpers.

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@Flickfan Maybe so except getting to cuba wouldnt be easy. Actually if a wall is built, mexicans would have to use water to get around it. But this aint about people only, who will really benifit and how.

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senior guru
Old English proverb....

Good fences make good neighbours.

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God
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@Crutchbender Absolutely! Nothing has changed.

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God
@Crutchbender Hmmmm. Robert Frost wrote that, and that was not his intent.

I beg your pardon, but the proverb quoted is meant to make us stop and consider whom the wall is actually confining or being confined.

"... There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence..."

The Irish also frequently misuse this quote.

I find it interesting.

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senior guru
@RAVENOUSbird No, sorry, you're mistaken.

The proverb goes back to the 17th century, way before Robert Frost, who merely used it in his own poetic way.

And it means what it says, which is that if you take care of your own interests, such as looking after the fences between you and your neighbour, then relationships will be cordial for both.

If however you disregard your duty and let say your livestock wander onto your neighbour's land then you can expect your neighbour will get very annoyed.

Thus good fences make good neighbours.

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God
@Crutchbender Pretty sure that the phrase would go back further than that, and is, as in all things, subject to the interpretation of the sayer and the listener, both.

Happy Christmas. 🎅

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senior guru
@RAVENOUSbird I checked the Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs, according to which, and as I say, the aforesaid proverb originates in the 17th century. Moreover, it has just one etymology, one meaning, thus there can't be any other valid interpretation.

And so if someone is giving this proverb a different meaning then they're mistaken or they are just making up their own meaning. Similarly, a hearer can interpret it in their own subjective way, but such has no relevance or validity outside their brain.

Same goes for any other proverb or any word for that matter. I could insist that when I use the word 'kangaroo' it means 'ice cream' and you could interpret the word 'kangaroo' to mean 'turnip'. Sure, go for it, but as I say imposing such meanings or interpreting things in your own subjective way has no relevance and no validity outside your brain.

Hope this helps. 😉

Merry Christmas. 🎅

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God
@Crutchbender LOL

I'm certain you are correct on the one you checked, but opinions and interpretations are vast.

There is never just one that is the definitive one, unless you quote one author, quote his intent in his own words, and then say you are in full agreement with it.

The words kangaroo and ice cream are THINGS, not philosophy where the use of analogy is necessary.

However, I'll just say, I find you charming Crutch, and funny, simultaneously.

Kind of like a the Kangaroo that holds an ice cream on the other side of the wall.

lolololololol


I honestly do wish you well. I mean that.

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We don't need an expensive wal- if people want in, they will go under, over or around it. We especially don't need this monstrosity to stop Trump from having his tantrum. This time, I say let him cry until he calms down. Then he can come out of his room.

Here, is a US/Canada border town where there are gates on some side streets and potted plants along the border in others.

abcnews.go.com/Travel/wall-border-towns-ro...

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God
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@Xanthe199 If there weren't TROOPS at the borders now...THOUSANDS of ILLEGAL ALIENS would be flooding in, many of them criminals, or sick, using our welfare system, and hospitals, costing us BILLIONS of dollars every year. Those are facts. Do you have a door on YOUR hosue? What for? Why not just take it off in nice weather...and let ANYONE come in?

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expert
@bondojoe "using our welfare system"...lol..You have no idea how that works so, I would stop making yourself look silly..

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@PsychoDeeDee LOL! So now you know how everyone thinks, and what they know. I think you could use the services of a mental health proffesional.

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You don't sway me anymore than your first post by capitalizing certain words.

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God
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@Xanthe199 You're still wrong. Repeating the same old nonsense doesn't cahnge things. Repetiton is not truth.

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expert
We, as a country are suppose to be the epitome of the best. Benevolent even. When you digress into NASCAR flag waving Budweiser drinking douchebags, It's sort of the end of humanity.
Me, personally, have been waiting for that one good asteroid strike to take us all out but, you my friend, are a bitter guy, seemingly hoping for a fight that's never gonna happen.

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@PsychoDeeDee I don't wave a rebel flag, and I don't drink at all...maybe that's why I can see that the fight is ALREADY going on. It's a quiet riot. You're not very perceptive.

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expert
@bondojoe What fight? Against poor Mexicans? lolz..You need a therapist.

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senior guru
@PsychoDeeDee Give it up, it's Christmas and you've been busted countless times. It's way beyond a joke watching you try to save your face. Now go and have a lie down.

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expert
@Crutchbender I have nothing to give up troll.

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box
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But why stop with a Southern wall?

Why not build a Northern wall to keep out the threat of those hostile Eskimos. And an Eastern wall in case those dodgy Greenlanders, Icelanders and not to mention those gun hating Europeans decide to get wanderlust and try to discover the country again.

And finally a Western wall, but no need to build it on the coast. Just move it east a little and you could manage to block out those vile Liberals living in California with all their arty farty ideas and drugs, and sure half of them are Mexicans anyway.

Then when all the walls are up the last thing you will need is a roof and a door. It will be Home Sweet Home for those true Americans who have pure American blood from thousands of years of living off the land of patriots and Native Americans.

God bless THAT America and good luck with your dream.

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@box A simple comment, from apparently a simpleton. Countries that don't have natural barriers to their borders, DO have artificial ones. We have the oceans on the west and east coast for protection, and the coast guard, and the United States Military to patrol them. If Canadians become a menace, or terrorists start coming in THROUGH the Canadian border, then a wall will be applicable there too. The air force and the Marines defend our skies. Your comment was just an attempt to look clever, and to try and make me look bad. It had no substance at all. God help you, and God Bless America.

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@bondojoe - It is actually not a simple comment and it does not come from a simpleton. Insults on this forum should be left at the wall of your house and not used in intelligent debate.

The comment was meant to highlight your isolationist viewpoints and scaremongering stance in relation to an enemy you need to invent in order to give meaning to your political agendas.

Your lesson on geography and defense systems, although true is of little use, unless you need to explain things to the Trump Junior generation.

I do not make comments here to make you and your cronies look bad. You all manage to do that without any help from the likes of me.

I can see you are scared and that Santa Trump promised you a big toy to go with the gun under your pillow so all those monsters won't invade your American Dream. But I think you may now realise that the only monster is the one making the promises and filling his pockets with tax payer's money. You have been conned and that is what scares and hurts the most.

I don't want to make you look bad @bondojoe - I sympathise with you.

You have the wrong man, in the wrong job making the wrong decisions.

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@box Your entire comment was an attempt to insult. Your response continues that. Protecting America from terrorism is not isolationism....it is coomon sense..and our duty. It is you that is showing fear. Fear that you will be understood. President Trump is the man for the job of protecting America.....as those that express their hate for him attest.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe Come, come - a little satire is a long way from insult.

Just one question - how many Mexican/South American terrorists have caused acts of terror on US soil recently? I rest my case.

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You all support a Liar, a Criminal, A Conman, a Hateful vindictive and cruel person. What do you expect people to do and think about you when you hold such low morals and ethics. Disgraceful.

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box
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JOE - The links you provided, although tragic do not count as terrorist acts. A quick search to find out the FBI stats on the number of illegal aliens involved in crime brings up quite a bit of interesting information and no mention of terrorism (scaremongering at its best). May I suggest a bit of light reading before going to bed tonight so that we can sing from the same hymn sheet

www.businessinsider.es/undocumented-aliens...

www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immig...

www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-s...

www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/20...

I only as you to read the information with an open mind and then decide if the USA is under threat from South American terrorists?

Or could the vast quantities of fire power available in the country be putting the USA under more threat internally?

Respectfully,

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@box Any loss of American life to someone that is not an American is terror. Sometimes, it is an American that committs terror against his own countrymen. If anyone ever attacks you...you will have a chamnce to decide if you consider it terror...no matter WHO committs it.

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I must say this discussion is pretty dynamic. A northern wall sounds silly but its not. Look at it this way, its not the cost of the wall and who will pay, its the government contracts and the companies that will profit from the project. As i write this i feel kinda dumb, how did Trump make his fortune, well it was given to him but he was a real estate developer. I smell something fishy, reminds me of Haleburton and Dick "head" cheney. Its not to far off to envision a terrorist crisis necessitating a northern wall.

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@pizzaguy666 Since the Canadian border is not well guarded...it would make perfect sense for terrorists to enter there. No false flag is neccessary.

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@bondojoe Yes you are right.

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master
@bondojoe Plus True-Dope welcomes them with open arms pretty much....

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@TragicMouse🐭 Canada will be the next Sweden..unfortunately.

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@pizzaguy666 Haleburton and Dick "head" Cheney are two examples of bad politicians, bad Americans, and just generally bad people. Al Gore may also be a part of that "society". I wonder how much he has made...and what his carbon footprint is? Does extreme "importance" allow extreme license?

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I must also add, mexicans are not terrorists in the "death to america" sense. But because drugs come from mexico most americans blame them for our drug related crime.

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@pizzaguy666 Terror is real to the Americans that experience it. Whether it is in the "classic" or personal sense. Anyone have a discussion over the meaning of the word "Terror" should be exposed to some...in any form..and then see how they feel about it. Discussing semantics while people are killed by Illegal Aliens is for Liiberals , and fools. This statement can aso be applied to the statements by "Box". People that have killed have been terrorized. By any definition.

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@bondojoe Yes your right again, not what i meant though. In fact you are forcing me to think more than i like to.

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@I3itchPudding Those Mexican oranges will be sure difficult to stop!!!

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A quick calculation based on the gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall information.

Started: 17th December 2018

Raised: $20 Million

Today: 12th January 2019

Number of days raising funds = 25 days (during the most generous time of the year)

Estimated cost of wall: $5,000 Million

$20 Million/25 days = $0.8 million per day

$5,000 Million/$0.8 million = 6,250 days

6,250 days/ 365 days = 17 years (approx) to raise the $5,000 Million necessary.

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God
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@box The public won't have to fund it all. But it's nice to see that REAL Americans are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Comment

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master
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@bondojoe As a REAL American Joe, I am sure your contribution(s) has been accepted with some rapturous celebrations by the faithful.

Fair play to them and you. Not sitting around and waiting for a handout from government.

I was just pointing out the scale of the endeavour.

Nothing more.

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@box Three hundred thousand people, and twenty million dollars in about a month's time shows intent, and dedication, I believe. Far more than we are getting from those ELECTED to defend our country.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe True Joe, true. No denying your point.

But let's not forget the 800,000 workers who have families to feed, and would probably like to see some compromise in the situation so they can go back to providing for their families and spending their hard earned cash in their communities, thus spreading some of the wealth around.

Keep things ticking over?

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@box I was listening to a radio program yesterday, and the speaker was a federal worker. About half of them are not working. He said that after the FIRST shut down, years ago...they learned to prepare for it...to save a little money, knowing that it would happen over, and over. So that now, HIM and his co workers that are affected consider this a paid holiday. They are not working...but will STILL get paid! They love it! Straight from the "horse's mouth"!

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master
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@bondojoe However, a much more worrying viewpoint is expressed in USA Today...

Worth a read if you have the time

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/0...

Just one example from the story ...

Even before the shutdown, the number of air-controllers had dropped from a peak of 11,753 in 2012 to 10,483 in September 2018, according to the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, a union representing the workers.

“Overtime in the form of six-day weeks and 10-hour days is common at many of the nation’s busiest and most short-staffed facilities, including radar facilities in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas,” said Paul Rinaldi, an air-traffic controller who is president of the union.

“And none of the controllers forced to work during this shutdown will see pay for their hard work to keep travelers safe until the shutdown ends,” Rinaldi said. “This shutdown must end now.”

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God
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@box The air controllers got a big head during Ronald Reagan's term. He fired them all. There was not a SINGLE air accident, as a result. But they DID learn who was in charge.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe But this is a different situation. It sounds a bit dangerous having those sort of conditions and not getting paid for doing the job, doesn't it?

Overtime in the form of six-day weeks and 10-hour days is common at many of the nation’s busiest and most short-staffed facilities, including radar facilities in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas,” said Paul Rinaldi, an air-traffic controller who is president of the union.

People would need to think twice about air safety when they are travelling, don't you think?

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God
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@box You can go back to 1970...and conditions were the same. Our population has increased. Our air traffic controllers have not. Even if there was UNLIMITED money for them..there would be a shortage. People burn out quickly. It's a high stress job. Higher wages, OR getting paid on time do not make you a better Air traffic controller. If you can't handle the stress of misssing one paycheck...you probably shouldn't have thousands of people's lives in your hands.

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God
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@box Obama-era FAA hiring rules placed air traffic controller diversity ahead of safety, lawyer says. I would think THAT would be the main concern! www.theblaze.com/news/2018/06/02/obama-era...

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@box They'll be tied up in court for years with Eminent Domain challenges. So half of that 20 mil will go to the retainer fees for the attorneys. You can't even build an apartment complex for that amount.

And I think you meant to say the estimated cost is 5b but even that's incorrect. That figure is only what Trump's holding federal workers and their families hostage for. The real cost is north of 20b... as much as 80b for the 2000 mile southern border.

www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-border-wall...

If he gets a win now he'll do the same thing to those workers in a few months to get more money.

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master
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box
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@zenman1 Well then if it comes from the horses mouth, I suppose we should take their word for it?

I do think that the wrong people are suffering because of this and the two sides need to negotiate. However I don't know how well versed DT and his team are in the "Art of Negotiation".

Maybe they should start with "How to make friends and influence people" first?

Thanks for the update Zenman - I have been following your comments on the other "News Section" thread.

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top expert
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(1d)
@box "How to make friends and influence people" 🤣

Best*idea*ever.

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moderator
Will we? Maybe not. Is one needed? Yes or some other method of stopping invaders from getting in.

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God
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@FemaleLotRfan83 A physical wall is what the border police want. Those that are keepin us safe from the drug dealers, and killers that cross over. I think we should give the experts what they want.

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@bondojoe An actual wall is needed.

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God
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@FemaleLotRfan83 I agree!!

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senior guru
Could be cheaper to use choppers or drones flying up and down the border. Mounted with machine guns they'd be a very efficient way of neutralising invasions. Better still, let the public pay to operate the drones. Who wouldn't give $10 bucks or whatever to get some real shoot 'em up action? Way better than Call of Duty, or any other video game for that matter. Disney or some such could easily set up the operating booths. The public would love the chance to legally shoot real aliens and so they'd gladly pay the ticket price. Gangs, rapists, drug smugglers, illegals and other assorted undesirables would soon be piling up at the border. More importantly, it's all very profitable. Thus a win-win plan.

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God
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@Crutchbender I agree...Some land mines for those that DO manage to crawl under, or sneak accross, and we're all set!

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master
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box
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It would be nice to know how many Mexicans have donated to the gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall site as I believe it was included in Mr. Trump's presidential announcement speech.


"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall."


Sources: Donald Trump’s presidential announcement speech
Date: Monday, January 16th, 2017 at 12:32 p.m.


Nothing more - just wondering.

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God
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@box Probably a lot of Legalized Mexicans living in America donated. The ones living in Mexico are donating every time they buy American. Nafta having been thrown out.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe Was that what Trump intended in his speech, I wonder (again)?

It sounds like he meant the Mexican Government.

He does say "...and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall." suggesting the country and not a bunch of Mexicans who like American products.

Interesting ....

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God
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@box The people of Mexico ARE the country. Just like the people that live in America ARE Americans. When America pays for those ILLEGAL ALIENS it may say America pays for them...but it means that every working citizen pays for them.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe So, just to make it box simple, Trump was not suggesting that the Mexican Government would pay for the wall, he was suggesting that the legal immigrants who are buying American products and those Mexican citizens who are buying the American products are paying for the wall.

Yet we have a Government shutdown because Trump wants the American Government to give him $5,000 Million American Dollars to build a wall and not one Mexican Peso.

And 800,000 American tax payers out of work whose taxes can't be used to pay for the wall because they are not paying taxes.

Could that be right?

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God
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@box None of that is correct...but your misunderstanding can be blamed on the Liberal point of view. Fake news...and all of that.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe I am sorry to disappoint you but the first part is what you stated Joe previously....

"Probably a lot of Legalized Mexicans living in America donated. The ones living in Mexico are donating every time they buy American."


The second part cannot be denied because ALL of the media is reporting the story.

And part three is just commom sense.

And all of that is correct ... NO FAKE NEWS and certainly NO MISUNDERSTANDING from my SOCIALIST point of view.

All is right Joe, all is right.

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God
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@box Of course it's wrong. We have a shutdown because Liberals REFUSE tom protect the American border. And Mexico IS going to pay for the wall. And it's going to cost them a lot more than it would have, had they been decent about it. WE can crush Mexico ecomonically anytime. When Trump builds the wall...they will soon be BEGGING to pay for it. There are not 800,000 people out of work. About half that. And as far as fake news...I posted SEVERAL stories today from the FAKE MEDIA...lying that the gofundme wall fund was being retuned. The bigger question is...why do you care what happens in America...and why do you support ILLEGAL ALIENS...over the people of America?

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master
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box
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@bondojoe Because of the lies JOE.

Because the Democrats (let's call them by their real name) are NOT refusing to protect the American border. The American border has been there for Donkey's years and will be in the future.

If Mexico is going to pay for the wall, why not get them to send a bank transfer to the White House? Because it is not going to happen. They will never pay for it.

DT wants the American to pay for his toy and put his name on it as a legacy - an expensive one. Probably he has no need for a library in his name as his reading is minimal.

There is no interest from any political Party to crush Mexico. Another false claim.

We have seen how long the GOFUNDWALL will take - 17 years. Long after you and Trump and me.

And I love illegal immigrants - (please do not call them ALIENS - it dehumanises them and they are very human that are in need and running away from poverty - because I was an illegal immigrant before Spain joined the EU properly and I met a lot of good people from South America that shared my values.

It's the LIES Joe that are being spread by people who hate the unknown and build a wall to keep out the monster like they did with King Kong. But the wall will become a symbol of hate on both sides (Berlin, Israel, Hadrian's) and it will generate more problems that we can't even imagine.

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@box Israel built a wall. It works great. Many countries have one. They work great. You have a house with walls. You're not even American. WE can do whatever we want to...and THIS is what we choose to do. keep our country safe. I suggest the rest of the world take care of itself. Those are not lies...those are facts. I'm an American...and I approve this message.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe You have not even tried to debate the lies because you know what are the lies, the spin, the vote grabbing headlines for the party faithful. The lies are getting worn and getting found out. You'll need to get yourselves a new slogan because the old one (with it's mouthpiece) is being shown for what it is. Little America, with their little minds and their big mouths all wrapped up in the form of DP.

God Help America!

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God
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@box God keep blessing America. There's no lies here. It's OUR country...NOT the worlds. We will do as we wish. Come and take it...if you can.

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moderator
@bondojoe A lot of legal immigrants probably added donations. They're the ones who are forced to wait longer in line each time, an illegal alien comes into the US.

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God
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@FemaleLotRfan83 And they probably know that anyone willing to break the law to get here, will be trouble for them too!

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moderator
@bondojoe Right.

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master
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box
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@FemaleLotRfan83 We are talking about a great big wall. So a lot of legal immigrants are going to give Trump loving money raisers in order to erect a wall between their family and friends who have been left behind and give money so that any unfortunate "paisano" who should try to go under, through or over the wall may be executed on sight?

Are you living in cloud cuckooland?

Mexicans paying money to kill Mexicans because they are queuing longer to get to the American dream.

These are poeple, something to remember. They are not ALIENS from another planet. You really need to review some sweeping statements and other stuff you have in your head because it is not CORRECT, not correct at all.

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God
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@box She's correct. They are ALIENS , under our law. And they are ILLEGAL, when they break our law. They have been breaking it too long. It's time for the United States to use their power to enforce their laws. We are a soveriegn nation. WE decide who gets in, and out.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe Enforcing laws is one thing but encouraging the brit Crutchbender to convert this into some kind of video game like Call of Duty and then you come along with the wonderful ...

"I agree...Some land mines for those that DO manage to crawl under, or sneak accross, and we're all set!" ...

is a bit sickening Joe, don't you think?

Let's make killing people a sport for the adolescents of America - that should whip them into shape and they will be able to make America Great Again - put it right back during the massacres of the American Indians and Black slaves.

Boy, we are progressing, are't we.

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God
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@box I think a wall would keep us from having to take measures like that. But if the wall didn't work...I'm in favor of stronger measures. Don't point a gun at someone, unless you can fire it. The threat of violence does no good unless that violence is carried out. Many wars have been prevented that way. Mutual guarenteed destruction has kept us from nuclear weapons for the past 60 years.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe And it still hasn't stopped wars. There are guns at the border. There are guns everywhere in America (and Mexico). Enough guns to hurt a lot of people because it isn't only the immigrants that are going to get hurt. Just like Vietnam, Afganistan, Iraq - ordinary people fight back when attacked and soldiers, border guards, and those idiots on the drones will get killed.

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God
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@box There will always be wars. Because people want what other people have. Just like the people that want a life in America...when they already HAVE a country. They want OURS.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe You really should be forced to leave your country Joe with a nice complicated language and a way of life that only is only concerned in sending money back to family a thousand miles away.

You really need to see the other side of the coin. Honestly.

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God
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@box If I HAD to leave America...I would be thankful for whatever was provided to me. I would NOT make demands. I would NOT say "you have to take me. I would ASK. If they said no...I would find a country that would. EVERYONE has a country. They come to America because America has more. You don't help poor peeople by tearing down rich people. It's an absurd argument that ILLEGAL ALIENS have rights. They move into a country, and take over. Muslims now control Minnesota, and Michigan, in the United States. That's enough. If you would let someone come to your house, and put YOU out of it, and take your house over...you are too ignorant to live anyway. If you say you would do that you are a liar. Either way, it doesn't matter. EVERYONE in rural America is armed. We WILL defend our country. If you won't defend your country or your house...you are not worthy of either. The only reason that ideas like this get ANY tractiuon at all is that about 50% of the worlds population falls below an IQ of 70...and are deemed retarded. So they are easy to manipulate...and believe the lies that they are told. Many left Hondurus, because they were told that America would welcome them with open arms. Who told them this? America's enemies. You're beating a dead horse. I KNOW the difference between right and wrong, and what is good for America.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe You have a gun-toting social mentality that have little faith in government and less faith in those who are charged to protect you.

I am sure the Muslims are not taking over your cities by armed force, but in an organised legal way. That might be the way to go.

And then ther is the problem of co-habitation of so many races/nationalities/religions looking for a piece of the pie and everyone claiming to have the big G on their side. So many sides and so many big G's. And they all need tax deductions, jobs, food, entertainment and a good time too.

Your enemies are within who are pointing at those without in order to evade attention from the manipulation they are doing.

You and your friends hold the IQ number as a very important badge to distinguish yourselves from the enemy. I do not consider that some of your Presidents had above IQs (Bush Junior for one, without fear of discussion). But what should be considered more important is the Emotional Intelligence of a person. This is something for you on the right to investigate and include in your calculations and less blowing your horn about IQ. America is way down the lists of Education levels.

Maybe the 5 thousand million along with the military budget could make a hole in that problem, or the homeless or medical care?

Sending people from Honduras are not the enemy of America - they are grifters, making money out of the misery of others. Just the same in North Africa.

Some things to think about Joe before you close your mind too much.

Respect

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God
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(2d)
@box You can have them, we don't want them. Our choice.

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moderator
@box Illegal aliens or illegal invaders is the correct term. They aren't immigrants since those obey our immigration laws or migrants.

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master
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box
(3d)
@FemaleLotRfan83 Illegal aliens or illegal invaders? You must be taking the proverbial piss to suggest that the people crossing the Mexican border are INVADING the great US of A. These are women and children. These invaders/aliens do not come wielding swords, laser guns and mindbending powers.

Just listen to yourself OUT LOUD.

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senior master
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@box Read FemaleLotRfan83 post again.
💥They aren't immigrants since those obey our immigration laws or migrants.

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God
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@FemaleLotRfan83 Box wants you to become a Liberal...tear down the wall..take in EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN...and give them all you have. What has HE done for anyone...America has been supporting Mexico for decades.

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master
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box
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@bondojoe You make it sound that a wall will be indestructible. I am sure Putin will be willing to put that to the test.

Before you tear anything down, you might have to build something and 17 years is a mighty long time Joe.

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God
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@box We'll do the best we can. Then we'll see.

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moderator
@bondojoe If the liberals want them so much. They can take them in and use their own money to feed them, clothe them, and with medical needs.

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master
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box
(3d)
@FemaleLotRfan83 And dont forget FLR83 the wonderful ...

The Statue of Liberty

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."


Think that was written for a reason - maybe for your ancestors? Definitely for mine.

A little more compassion is what is needed in the world.

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moderator
@box Mine came here legally. Also that poem was for legal immigrants and refugees.

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master
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box
(2d)
@FemaleLotRfan83 Ach, sure I know. Everything was green cards and visas and above board in those days. No names were changed and everything was done according to the book of immigration.

Dear Lord, give me strength on this day. (another prayer for the desperate and downtrodden too)

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God
@FemaleLotRfan83 The immigration laws and the concept of "legal" has changed over the centuries in America.

Did your ancestors come to America in the 18th Century, for example? Congress in 1790 passed the first naturalization law for the United States, the Naturalization Act of 1790. The law enabled those who had resided in the country for two years and had kept their current state of residence for a year to apply for citizenship. However it restricted naturalization to "free white persons" of "good moral character".

The "laws" were very loose (to begin with) and there was NOT paperwork necessarily involved in coming to America, and the laws have changed significantly from the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.

To say that your ancestors came to America "legally" might have just meant, they came over, waited the specified amount of time, and fit the criteria, and applied.

That's it.

As for the sonnet, no, that is not why it was written.

"The New Colossus" was originally written to raise money for the pedestal for the Statue. Again, the sonnet was written in 1883, a different criteria for the concept of "legal" immigration, and the sonnet was not referring or even alluding to legalities in the least.

I'm not trying to be cheeky. I've always found the statue and the sonnet intriguing and have been there at least a dozen times.

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master
@RAVENOUSbird My ancestors still immigrated thru the FRONT DOOR,not crawl thru an open window,and hide.-My main branch came during the Revolutionary War,and were involved in it.(My grandma had all the papers ect.)I think illegal immigration NOW is the problem,not years ago.NOW we DO HAVE TO keep track of borders cuz NOW the world has become MORE DANGEROUS AGAIN.--and the nation now can't afford lots more people sneaking in,getting foodstamps,jobs from social work,and educating lots of illiterates in our schools.--NOW we can't help or use lotsa illegals.TOO MUCH COSTS,The Govt. is BROKE.We can't help all the citizens we have,now.--Plus,illegally,any foreign soldiers members,terrorists,ect, can sneak over a border.--ANYONE can come over illegally,and you won't know it,till its too late.We getmany gangs,criminals,ect.coming here illegally-I saw it in California!--we get more CRIME.CRIMINALS often cross the borders illegally,and live here.YOU WANT THEM?HAH?

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God
@clarachan1355 I wasn't addressing any of that.

If you will kindly refer to what I did write you will see I was addressing the intent of the sonnet and supporting documentation for it.

Thanks anyways.

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moderator
@RAVENOUSbird Some of them did. I know one from my mom's side came from France.

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God
@FemaleLotRfan83 Oh cool. smiley

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master
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box
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@RAVENOUSbird +5 for the lesson on something I didn't know along with FLR83. Seems the downvoters are out in force RB.

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God
@box Lol I didn't write the law or the sonnet so it's not me they're downvoting. Silly, silly people!

I guess this is a case of shoot the messenger.

Thankfully, those shots only tickle me.

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master
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box
(1d)
@RAVENOUSbird Did you get the HAH? Have Another Holiday?

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God
@box Lol I'm not understanding what you mean? smiley

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master
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box
(1d)
@RAVENOUSbird It's OK - I sent you a PM.

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God
@box Oky doky! smiley

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guru
Looks like the GoFundMe to raise $5B fell short by $4.98B and will be canceled and refunded.

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master
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box
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@SoylentBrown Yes SolentB - the maths were tricky but there was an agreement that at this rate, it will take GoFundMe 17 years (approx) to raise the money (inflation nor trade wars was not considered). Can he be pressie for that long? I wouldn't put it past him.

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guru
I'm sure he would like to be President for life, but I don't think he has 17 years left. I would agree to $5B for general border security, but spread over many different areas, like hiring more agents, updating facilities, etc. A wall would be more of a symbol than an actual barrier. I think Trump is just wanting to be Ozymandias.

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expert
I didn't think this thread could get more idiotic. Crutchbeiber suggested turrets, drones, and whatnot..haha. Are you all really that scared? It's comical. I live in open carry, the rest of you nutjobs live in fantasy land.
Feel free to continue for my amusement.

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God
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(2d)
@PsychoDeeDee It's idiotic to have open borders, where your enemies can just walk in.

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senior guru
In all seriousness Trump needs to declare a state of emergency. He has the legal authority to invoke a federal statute called the National Emergencies Act. And doing so would give him the power to do what is necessary as far as constructing a wall goes. This will probably happen any day soon. Not before time.

The Democrats will be annoyed, sure. They support as much immigration as possible because as they see it they are importing Democrat voters. By filling America up with poor illiterate immigrants they feel they are guaranteed to win all future elections. Thus for the Democrats this is about power and not what is in America's interests.

Setting that aside Trump needs to move soon as possible invoking Emergency Powers as per the 1976 Emergencies Act. He'll get sweeping authority to do what is right. Future generations will be very grateful.

Remember, the Democrats really are dangerous. The Dems were the party of slavery and the KKK, that created income tax and started the Prohibition, after that they chucked Japanese Americans into internment camps, and today they're letting males use women's restrooms. Worse still Dems boo and jeer God at their national conventions while all the time celebrating the killing of thousands and thousands of unborn babies, not to mention wanting to disarm all citizens.

Only Trump can stop such a dangerous menace.

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God
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(2d)
@Crutchbender I believe that will be what happens. That's what Liberals WANT to happen. So they can point at Trump and say 'What a heartless man!" Even though, before Trump became President...LIBERALS were crying for a border wall.

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master
@Crutchbender Did anyone try to read the Pelosi-offered "Sweeping Reform plan"the Congress(liberals) just announced?that they want?I tried to read it--could not understand the complex legal jargon they used to confuse everyone.It was in all legalese.I bet they wanta do MORE TAXES.

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master
@Crutchbender I do object to any physically-a-man using a woman's rest room.Women's rest rooms are supposed to be secure and private,FOR WOMEN--and we women count on that privacy.If you are a drag queen,yer still a man,use the mens' room.-Trans-people with male organs,use the mens' room.Those owning male sex organs,use the mens' room!--no matter WHAT yer sexual-orientation,if you got male sex organs,use the mens' room---period.

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senior guru
@clarachan1355 I'm inclined to agree with you.

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master
They don't need a literal wall everywhere,but security as a wall in many places.--and where a wall is needed,make it practical.Booby-trap all the most busy crossing areas.But,yes,the president can call a state of emergency. smiley

Obuma forced everyone to take unwanted,BAD, unpractical health insuraNCE--AND THAT wasn't forced thru like a military coup over taxpayers?YES,IT WAS A FORCED BAD LAW.NOBODY WANTED IT.THAT was Obuma's legacy--force thru bad health insuraNCE CRAPPED ALL OVER WORK PEOPLE! smiley

And you think a WALL IS STUPID?"OBUMACARE" was even worse!I'll take a wall over that,any day! smiley

Take all the money Obumacare has, and use it to build the wall.A state of Emergency can tap funds needed for that emergency.LOOK UP THE GOVT. LAW.I BET the Prez, can attach Obumacare,and use all THAT FUND in an emergency.--to build a border wall,and install all order, guards,drones, whatever works.--all border security. smiley

YEAH,I BET legally Trump could attach Obumacare funds,in this emergency.-it has precedence over that dept.Hah hah.Obuma and his "legacy,"hah hah.-What a scum-sucker thug! smiley smiley "Security of borders"is a much better legacy. smiley

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senior master
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YES WE WILL smiley
smiley

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master
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box
(2d)
@1FRAC1 What is it with Trump and young girls ... Seriously. Tongue out and ready for action LOL

Nice one FRAC

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senior master
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@box your sick,get your mind outta the gutter.

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senior master
@1FRAC1 That's how low lefties go. "sad"

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master
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@1FRAC1 BUT THERE IS SO MUCH HAPPENING DOWN HERE.

Was that not meant to be an old guy lusting after a young one?

So confusing.

Really?

LOL

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Walls Across America: George Soros' Great Wall.

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Will America get it's Southern Border Wall.?
👍Yep!👍











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@Tyrlarn Like that 1st one.

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